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dark13
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Alright Nice IBO is in 6th last time it was 9th place its starting ti grow 
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Koda89
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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2016 4:42 am
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Dat 20,000+ combined for Arpeggio's movie!
Glad to see Arpeggio's popularity didn't weaken in the time between the end of the TV series and the release of the film.
Also Erased's sales.....rather disappointing to see it sell that amount. Looks like it will be joining Rakugo as an anime seemingly more loved in the West than in Japan.
I mean the numbers aren't bad, just, kinda thought it would do better than that, you know?
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Nakurawari
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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2016 4:57 am
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With those sales, Osomatsu is bound to get a second season at some point.
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MarshalBanana
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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2016 5:03 am
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| Koda89 wrote: | | Also Erased's sales.....rather disappointing to see it sell that amount. Looks like it will be joining Rakugo as an anime seemingly more loved in the West than in Japan. |
Considering that it got a TV show I doubt it is not doing very well.
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Koda89
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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2016 5:05 am
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| MarshalBanana wrote: |
| Koda89 wrote: | | Also Erased's sales.....rather disappointing to see it sell that amount. Looks like it will be joining Rakugo as an anime seemingly more loved in the West than in Japan. |
Considering that it got a TV show I doubt it is not doing very well. |
Just because the source material is doing well enough to get an anime doesn't mean much. I mean Rokka got an anime and from what I was hearing that wasn't exactly a big seller(and I mean the books, I know full well the anime sold like ass).
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Zoneflare
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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2016 5:09 am
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Go Konosuba! Glad to see that its doing really good.
Man Erased is doing so poorly then again I guess people dont have the money to pay for a half series like that so its understandable.
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+ 光
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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2016 5:19 am
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| Koda89 wrote: | |
Also Erased's sales.....rather disappointing to see it sell that amount. Looks like it will be joining Rakugo as an anime seemingly more loved in the West than in Japan. |
Bit off-topic here, but I disagree that Rakugo is maybe more loved in the West than in Japan. Westerners aren't really familiar with the concept of rakugo, but in Japan it's on its home field. That's like saying rugby is more loved in Japan than in New Zealand.
If Rakugo gets an North American release and the sales is better than Japan's, I'll admit I was wrong. If we'll ever know that it impossible to say though. So until then it's just speculation.
What bothers me more is the sales of Diabolik lovers. It felt as if my brain would rot watching two episodes of that show. Not good at all.
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CrowLia
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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2016 5:25 am
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| dark13 wrote: | Alright Nice IBO is in 6th last time it was 9th place its starting ti grow |
I think you're misunderstanding how these charts work. How high they rank isn't what's important, it's the amount of discs sold. IBO ranking 9th one week and 6th the next one doesn't mean it's becoming more popular or selling more. In slow weeks, series selling 2K or less can end up with high positions, doesn't mean they're doing well at all.
That said IBO's getting pretty solid numbers, v2 reached 9K and this one's starting at nearly 7K, so while it's not spectacular, it's still pretty good
I'm sad to see so many good shows bombing so hard. Lupin, DRRR, AssClass and Noragami certainly deserve better sales. Noragami's particularly saddening because Aragoto was so incredibly well done, and with its poor performance there's little chance we'll see a third season
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Koda89
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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2016 5:36 am
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| Koda89 wrote: | |
Also Erased's sales.....rather disappointing to see it sell that amount. Looks like it will be joining Rakugo as an anime seemingly more loved in the West than in Japan. |
Bit off-topic here, but I disagree that Rakugo is maybe more loved in the West than in Japan. Westerners aren't really familiar with the concept of rakugo, but in Japan it's on its home field. That's like saying rugby is more loved in Japan than in New Zealand.
If Rakugo gets an North American release and the sales is better than Japan's, I'll admit I was wrong. If we'll ever know that it impossible to say though. So until then it's just speculation.
What bothers me more is the sales of Diabolik lovers. It felt as if my brain would rot watching two episodes of that show. Not good at all. |
The performance art of rakugo is obviously more popular in Japan than anywhere else but the series Showa Genroku Rakugo Shinjuu? Wouldn't be a stretch to say that the anime is more beloved in the West than in Japan. The show was routinely regarded by many in the West as one of the best shows this season, if not the best show, depending on who you asked. Yet despite being out for 4 or 5 weeks, with a couple of weeks where the chart was insanely weak, Rakugo's first Blu-ray volume has failed to chart even once. In its debut week it only did 1,500 or so copies, a rather weak as hell opening week, and it has only done worse each subsequent week. If the show was as regarded in Japan as it was abroad, it would have sold better. 
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dark13
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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2016 5:41 am
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| CrowLia wrote: |
| dark13 wrote: | Alright Nice IBO is in 6th last time it was 9th place its starting ti grow |
I think you're misunderstanding how these charts work. How high they rank isn't what's important, it's the amount of discs sold. IBO ranking 9th one week and 6th the next one doesn't mean it's becoming more popular or selling more. In slow weeks, series selling 2K or less can end up with high positions, doesn't mean they're doing well at all.
That said IBO's getting pretty solid numbers, v2 reached 9K and this one's starting at nearly 7K, so while it's not spectacular, it's still pretty good
I'm sad to see so many good shows bombing so hard. Lupin, DRRR, AssClass and Noragami certainly deserve better sales. Noragami's particularly saddening because Aragoto was so incredibly well done, and with its poor performance there's little chance we'll see a third season |
Oh thanks for the Heads Up still trying to understand sales and all  I'm sure Durarara by the second to last Blu ray vol will sale high
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killjoy_the
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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2016 5:47 am
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| Koda89 wrote: | | Also Erased's sales.....rather disappointing to see it sell that amount. Looks like it will be joining Rakugo as an anime seemingly more loved in the West than in Japan. |
It boosted the manga's sales significantly and it advertised the live-action, it did its job.
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Koda89
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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2016 5:49 am
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| dark13 wrote: |
| CrowLia wrote: |
| dark13 wrote: | Alright Nice IBO is in 6th last time it was 9th place its starting ti grow |
I think you're misunderstanding how these charts work. How high they rank isn't what's important, it's the amount of discs sold. IBO ranking 9th one week and 6th the next one doesn't mean it's becoming more popular or selling more. In slow weeks, series selling 2K or less can end up with high positions, doesn't mean they're doing well at all.
That said IBO's getting pretty solid numbers, v2 reached 9K and this one's starting at nearly 7K, so while it's not spectacular, it's still pretty good
I'm sad to see so many good shows bombing so hard. Lupin, DRRR, AssClass and Noragami certainly deserve better sales. Noragami's particularly saddening because Aragoto was so incredibly well done, and with its poor performance there's little chance we'll see a third season |
Oh thanks for the Heads Up still trying to understand sales and all I'm sure Durarara by the second to last Blu ray vol will sale high |
The sad thing is most of the time the sales go down as the volumes continue to come out. Obviously not an ironclad "rule", as I occasionally will see a later volume sell better than some of its previous volumes, but the vast majority of the time a series' first volume is their best selling one. At the very least that's what it seems like after spending well over a year following these Oricon sales charts. 
| killjoy_the wrote: | | It boosted the manga's sales significantly and it advertised the live-action, it did its job. |
I don't care about how much it boosts the sales of the manga. Talking strictly about the anime's sales(and yes I say this knowing the main goal of adapted anime is to just be a glorified ad). >_>
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MarshalBanana
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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2016 6:01 am
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| Koda89 wrote: | The performance art of rakugo is obviously more popular in Japan than anywhere else but the series Showa Genroku Rakugo Shinjuu? Wouldn't be a stretch to say that the anime is more beloved in the West than in Japan. The show was routinely regarded by many in the West as one of the best shows this season, if not the best show, depending on who you asked. Yet despite being out for 4 or 5 weeks, with a couple of weeks where the chart was insanely weak, Rakugo's first Blu-ray volume has failed to chart even once. In its debut week it only did 1,500 or so copies, a rather weak as hell opening week, and it has only done worse each subsequent week. If the show was as regarded in Japan as it was abroad, it would have sold better. |
Well it is always possible that the show was intended for an audience that isn't big into buying Anime, and it is reliant on TV rankings. There was a similar case with Michiko & Hatchin, where the director said "Our time slot was late at night, so office ladies would be returning home, and worn out from the day, they could have a beer and watch it." which heavily implies that viewership was what they were counting on, not sales.
I'm inclined to believe you on Erased, since I didn't know that about adaptations.
I've had a distrust in this sort of thing since Cowboy Bebop. That show sold 48,000 copies back when it first came out(http://www.someanithing.com/312), yet people still believe that the show failed over there. I'm not saying your wrong by any means, I just think that people on a subconscious level, like to think that shows considered good fail in Japan and succeeded in America, and this colours their judegment.
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Koda89
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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2016 6:12 am
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| MarshalBanana wrote: |
| Koda89 wrote: | The performance art of rakugo is obviously more popular in Japan than anywhere else but the series Showa Genroku Rakugo Shinjuu? Wouldn't be a stretch to say that the anime is more beloved in the West than in Japan. The show was routinely regarded by many in the West as one of the best shows this season, if not the best show, depending on who you asked. Yet despite being out for 4 or 5 weeks, with a couple of weeks where the chart was insanely weak, Rakugo's first Blu-ray volume has failed to chart even once. In its debut week it only did 1,500 or so copies, a rather weak as hell opening week, and it has only done worse each subsequent week. If the show was as regarded in Japan as it was abroad, it would have sold better. |
Well it is always possible that the show was intended for an audience that isn't big into buying Anime, and it is reliant on TV rankings. There was a similar case with Michiko & Hatchin, where the director said "Our time slot was late at night, so office ladies would be returning home, and worn out from the day, they could have a beer and watch it." which heavily implies that viewership was what they were counting on, not sales.
I'm inclined to believe you on Erased, since I didn't know that about adaptations.
I've had a distrust in this sort of thing since Cowboy Bebop. That show sold 48,000 copies back when it first came out( http://www.someanithing.com/312), yet people still believe that the show failed over there. I'm not saying your wrong by any means, I just think that people on a subconscious level, like to think that shows considered good fail in Japan and succeeded in America, and this colours their judegment. |
Well yes there are several metrics to consider and what ultimately decides whether a show truly succeeds is if it makes the production committee a profit, which could be in any form. It could simply be because of how much it boosted the sales of the source material if it had one(for example I pretty much had a good feeling Konosuba would be getting its second season long before it was announced simply because it literally tripled the print run of the source material and its manga spinoff, Konosuba's anime selling great already is just a cherry on top that ensures the PC is gonna make a nice profit on the show). It could be because of selling well on home video. It could be because of great merchandise sales(one of the main reasons Gundam has lasted this long(dem model kits yo)).
The thing is we can't exactly pinpoint which series truly succeed, so the best we can do is guesswork with the data we do get like sales for the source material and the home video releases.
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Rivailloli
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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2016 6:28 am
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| Koda89 wrote: |
| killjoy_the wrote: | | It boosted the manga's sales significantly and it advertised the live-action, it did its job. |
I don't care about how much it boosts the sales of the manga. Talking strictly about the anime's sales(and yes I say this knowing the main goal of adapted anime is to just be a glorified ad). >_> |
The huge boost for the manga after the anime aired showed that it was popular and loved in Japan though, so your argument is thus not as valid.
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