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Aerodynamic41
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Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2016 11:21 pm
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I thought it was pretty obvious since he's no longer working at Konami.
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AnimeLordLuis
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Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2016 11:33 pm
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I too don't think that Zombies and Metal Gear go well together man what was Konami thinking that just by adding Zombies they can increase profits tenfold.
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theNightster
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Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 12:07 am
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everyone already knew Kojima has no involvement, but yeah the Zombie concept for a Metal Gear game is pretty stupid
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Xionea
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Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 12:33 am
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AnimeLordLuis wrote: | I too don't think that Zombies and Metal Gear go well together man what was Konami thinking that just by adding Zombies they can increase profits tenfold. |
I don't expect it to be a good game or to work well in the Metal Gear franchise either, but we all know there's people who will buy it regardless. The sad part is it probably will sell decently.
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Sume Gai
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Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 1:32 am
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Given the weirdness of the Metal Gear series I don't think Zombies are -that- out of place. We've already had a Vampire, Ghosts, a guy who controls electricity, two Cyborg Ninjas and rampant abuse of Nano-Machines (son) (given I haven't played 4, 5 or any spin-offs I'm sure there's plenty more.)
I'm not saying this isn't a transparent cash-grab by Konami trying to ride the Zombies craze but Kojima doesn't have much ground to stand on in terms of what does and doesn't fit into the Metal Gear Universe.
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FenixFiesta
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Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 2:26 am
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Quote: | I'm not saying this isn't a transparent cash-grab by Konami trying to ride the Zombies craze but Kojima doesn't have much ground to stand on in terms of what does and doesn't fit into the Metal Gear Universe. |
If Metal Gear as headed by Kojima was allowed to continue an ad nauseum spectrum of story spieling, Zombies would EVENTUALLY become a thing in some form.
The issue with this version of zombies is that the promo material was ham fisted to create a blatant level of excuse plot for a multiplayer survive game that by this point in time has been overly done that gamers frankly find the concept as boring without some sort of refreshing spin.
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XerneasYveltal
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Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 2:53 am
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It's pretty clear that this had to happen now that Kojima is out of Konami's league.
And I have no idea why would there be zombies in Metal Gear Survive.
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Stuart Smith
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Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 3:39 am
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I guess Kojima forgot about the Skulls, unless parasite-possessed humans don't count as zombies. Though given all the other supernatural stuff, that complaint seems hypocritical.
-Stuart Smith
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Issac Sarrowtail
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Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 10:23 am
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Aerodynamic41 wrote: | I thought it was pretty obvious since he's no longer working at Konami. |
Frankly he burned that bridge before the messy firing. What every he has to say on Metal Gear at this point is moot, he has no effect in the direction for it.
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FenixFiesta
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Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 11:03 am
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Issac Sarrowtail wrote: |
Frankly he burned that bridge before the messy firing. What every he has to say on Metal Gear at this point is moot, he has no effect in the direction for it. |
Actually, if someone is confirming that they in fact are NOT working on a project in any form, then expressing such a context is valid.
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Greed1914
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Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 11:03 am
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Sume Gai wrote: | Given the weirdness of the Metal Gear series I don't think Zombies are -that- out of place. We've already had a Vampire, Ghosts, a guy who controls electricity, two Cyborg Ninjas and rampant abuse of Nano-Machines (son) (given I haven't played 4, 5 or any spin-offs I'm sure there's plenty more.)
I'm not saying this isn't a transparent cash-grab by Konami trying to ride the Zombies craze but Kojima doesn't have much ground to stand on in terms of what does and doesn't fit into the Metal Gear Universe. |
Agreed. Konami obviously wants to make use of one of the few things they have with name recognition, but it's not like there isn't plenty of weirdness in the series, including some very zombie-like enemies in MGS5. Plus, I would guess the response for Konami would be that it's in an alternate dimension, so it wouldn't have to fit the Metal Gear mold.
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BadNewsBlues
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Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 3:13 pm
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Xionea wrote: | The sad part is it probably will sell decently. |
I don't how that's sad unless you hate the idea of people who make something not getting credit for their work i.e. the developers and staff making the game.
Issac Sarrowtail wrote: |
Frankly he burned that bridge before the messy firing. |
He burned this "alleged" bridge how? Secondly he wasn't fired even Konami themselves didn't come out and state that.
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jdnation
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Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 4:00 pm
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It sounds as though Kojima and Shinkawa are just commenting on things they've heard and have not actually seen much of the game itself.
The first Survive trailer hints at a Metal Gear appearance.
I think what Kojima might've meant is that Metal Gear's theme is not about a zombie survival fest, but about espionage. So maybe it's not as though zombies of a sort can't occur in the world, but that zombies would serve the theme of espionage, and also that the world of MGS would reflect a modern day atmosphere, it would not be a post-apocalyptic setting where the entire world is infested with zombies.
At least that's what I'd gather, not that Metal Gear doesn't have supernatural things.
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Gatherum
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Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2016 1:54 pm
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BadNewsBlues wrote: |
Xionea wrote: | The sad part is it probably will sell decently. |
I don't how that's sad unless you hate the idea of people who make something not getting credit for their work i.e. the developers and staff making the game. |
He's lamenting over a number of possible subjects:
- That fans will consume just about anything as a result of brand recognition. There is absolutely nothing groundbreaking or interesting about a cooperative/multiplayer zombie (apocalypse) survival...anything (film, game, television series, or what have you) at this point. The past two generations have run the theme into the ground, and it's a wonder the sheer saturation hasn't killed it in a similar fashion to how rhythm games were killed for a number of years after the Guitar Hero/Rock Band craze. Science fiction (horror) first-person shooters can get away with it as a secondary element (the Halo and Resistance franchises), but otherwise, there is absolutely no need for any more zombie survival games. Regardless of any existing supernatural elements, the Metal Gear franchise's foray into it is both late and unnecessary; the lack of ambition and creativity means that it really doesn't deserve to be successful--whether or not its creators get "credit" (which, by the way, is a completely different, negligible concern) isn't the issue here. However, the brand is strong, with or without Kojima attached, and so people will lap it up anyway. Sometimes, you just want to see something fail so that a ridiculous fad can have a chance to finally die as it should have a long time ago.
- Rehashing old ideas, as explained above, is an easy moneymaker, and I have to admit that I am as guilty as anyone else in this regard. The games I most anticipate these days are remakes of old games, such as the various The Legend of Zelda remakes, Odin Sphere: Leifthrasir, and Final Fantasy XII: The Zodiac Age. The excitement for these tends to outstrip that which I hold for Final Fantasy XV, The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild, or the hypothetical next major Halo release. For some reason, the zombie apocalypse continues to be a cliché, yet enduring theme in any kind of media. I, personally, never found it nearly interesting enough to warrant the attention that it gets, but regardless, I understand that for many, it is. It's unchallenging, mindless, bloody "fun". And it sucks to see such an odd, yet still contemplative and forward-thinking franchise like Metal Gear take a turn towards it. Not only that, but the very execution is terrible. Transported to an alternate universe? I haven't seen one jump so high over a shark in a long time.
They're out of ideas. Simple as that.
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BadNewsBlues
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Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2016 4:32 pm
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^ The irony in that observation though is Kojima was working on a new Silent Hill game which would've fell into that rut you're talking about had it been released.
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