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NEWS: Utena's Chiho Saitō Launches New Manga Series in April




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Agent355



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 12:25 pm Reply with quote
Torikae Baya has been on my licensing wishlist for a while now. Erica Friedman at Okazu has given the series rave reviews check it out!

And I just ordered the Utena boxset with Amazon's Black Friday discount.

C'mon, English manga licensors! Bring us more Chiho Saito!

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littlegreenwolf



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 1:57 pm Reply with quote
If you don't have it yet and want more Saito, Tokyopop released S to M no Sekai/The World Exists for me a long time ago.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 3:05 pm Reply with quote
.... except "masculine activities" in the Heian period meant... basically the same as feminine activities, except you wrote poetry in Chinese instead of hiragana.
Heian nobles literally just sat around writing poetry. Even riding horses was seen as uncouth.

Not that that's a bad thing - that's actually what I like about it, a society without warriors is a good thing. And it also doesn't mean there wasn't sexism, because there was, but like... it's not like there was much sporting or warrior training... so it doesn't seem to fit.
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kamui85



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2017 3:18 pm Reply with quote
#861208 wrote:
.... except "masculine activities" in the Heian period meant... basically the same as feminine activities, except you wrote poetry in Chinese instead of hiragana.
Heian nobles literally just sat around writing poetry. Even riding horses was seen as uncouth.

Not that that's a bad thing - that's actually what I like about it, a society without warriors is a good thing. And it also doesn't mean there wasn't sexism, because there was, but like... it's not like there was much sporting or warrior training... so it doesn't seem to fit.


Until another country that does have warriors invades your own....
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lebrel



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 5:41 pm Reply with quote
#861208 wrote:
.... except "masculine activities" in the Heian period meant... basically the same as feminine activities, except you wrote poetry in Chinese instead of hiragana.
Heian nobles literally just sat around writing poetry. Even riding horses was seen as uncouth.

Not that that's a bad thing - that's actually what I like about it, a society without warriors is a good thing. And it also doesn't mean there wasn't sexism, because there was, but like... it's not like there was much sporting or warrior training... so it doesn't seem to fit.


The Torikae Baya manga is based on an actual Heian-era novel (available in English translation as The Changelings; it's an academic book and also out of print AFAIK, so try inter-library loan). The part about the boy being sensitive and retiring (e.g., feminine) and not liking boy's activities or being around other men (and the girl being the opposite) comes directly from the original.

Despite the relatively refined and peaceable expectations Heian society had of upper-class men, there is definitely a difference in the daily lives of noblemen vs noblewomen; once the heroine has switched back to the social role of a woman, the story (which was probably written by a woman) tells us how boring and stifling her life is now, and how much she must miss the freedom and excitement of being a man.
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