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Escaflowne2001
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Kissanime still using Cloudflare... so I doubt they care that much until they get caught for anime as well.
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Kougeru
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So in other words once there's actual legal proof. I see no issue. |
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Blanchimont
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So far there's nothing to indicate they're going after scanlation sites/aggregates. All sites named have been raw manga sites catering to Japanese demographics. |
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cookiemanstah
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That's because no matter what people like to intimidate you into believing, Japan does not give one damn about the West and their antics. That's why piracy culturally runs so rampant here and why there's an insider joke in Japanese circles about how they should move over for free-content You know since if you pirate in Japan or Korea, you're dead. Literally a move out of the country before prison deal. Which is a shame since piracy in all aspects is evil |
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Blanchimont
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A lot of content would be utterly inaccessible to the West if it was not for scanlations of manga, fan-translations of novels or fansubbed anime, so I have to disagree with the 'all' part of your statement... |
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cookiemanstah
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well, the interesting thing is that's the justification people like to throw out for piracy being cool and all, but it's been infrequently shown when a mangaka finds out about it, they're not happy. Sometimes even pissed. I think the only person I ever remember being flattered was R07 and Umineko. It also has a consequence in the sense that while someone might renew or properly rescue a pirated license, it might already be a has been/seen to death thing. No money gained. This USUALLY results in people not even bothering altogether to license such a thing. So yeah, it's way more complex than "it makes it accessible." |
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SonicSP
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Copyright laws in most country are a sham anyways, given the absurdly amount of time (it should be more closer to patents) it last and how restrictive it is.
If they don't want to reform the system, then so be it. |
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AkumaChef
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Utterly inaccessible? No. Just just difficult to access because you have to take the translation hassles upon yourself. There's nothing illegal about a foreigner buying Japanese books, videos, etc, and having that shipped to his or her home country where they can watch/read at their leisure. It's more expensive, and it requires more work, but it's not impossible. |
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ErikaD.D
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You know what, reading mangas and watching animes LEGALLY is still not easy. Where can I read mangas legally? There's MangaPlus for WSJ but there's no other legal manga sites from non-WSJ like Weekly Shonen Sunday, Weekly Shonen Magazine and others. Where the hell can I read non-WSJ like Attack on Titan, One Punch Man, Detective Conan? Nothing sadly. As for animes, I can't pay Crunchyroll because 1.I may not afford to pay to watch animes on CC due to financial reasons and 2. My family don't even had an online banking and paying it on online is difficult. If all of pirated sites were shutting down, it will make even more harder to read mangas and watching anime. Those who're having financial issues and/or those who are living in the country where watching anime and reading manga is geoblocked -- will hit the hardest. Everything's hard nowadays. Last edited by ErikaD.D on Sun Feb 23, 2020 3:23 pm; edited 2 times in total |
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Blanchimont
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Semantics. It's pretty inaccessible to those who don't already know Japanese. For example, how many Americans know of a second language aside Spanish, or would be willing to take the effort to learn it? It may be unjustified and illegal, but I will continue to take and enjoy my fair share of those works I can't access translated officially in the West, be it anime, manga, novels, visual novels etc, and thank those who translated them... |
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AkumaChef
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In my opinion the emotional reaction of the Mangaka doesn't mean much. Plenty of people get irrationally mad about good things happening. I'm not calling piracy a good thing, I'm just saying that an emotional reaction is not an accurate measure of anything objective so it doesn't mean anything here.
I've never heard anything about a license being affected by piracy except back in the late 90's fansub popularity was a good gauge for companies like ADV to use to determine what they were going to license next. But that said, Blanchimont does have a valid point in that many people first hear about a title via piracy and then go on to purchase the real deal. For example, I can name several shows which I was first introduced to via fansubs: 3x3 Eyes (both series) Vampire Princess Miyu TV Gundam X Gundam Wing Fushigi Yuugi Battle Angel Five Star Stories Adventures of Mini-Goddess You're Under Arrest Outlaw Star Irresponsible Captain Tylor Gall Force movies Cat Girl Nuku Nuku Blue Seed Tenchi Universe El-Hazard the Wanderers The real list is probably three times that long but that's all I can recall off the top of my head. I went on to purchase the entirety of all those series, on Japanese LD. So in my case, "piracy" via fansubs resulted in me spending several thousand dollars in total on those shows. I used to use fansubs just like I use streaming now: a way to check the show out to determine if I want to buy it nor not. I rarely watch streaming shows all the way through: if I like the show I buy it. If I don't like the show enough to buy it then I nearly always drop it. Of course the opposite happens too: I'm sure there are people out there who consume pirated media and don't spend a penny. But without good data we have no idea which of the two camps dominates, and that's something I'd really love to see, alas it's also something that's really hard to measure. |
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ErikaD.D
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Truth. If nearly all of pirated site were shuting down, it would make even more harder to watch animes and reading mangas. God forbid. |
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cookiemanstah
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what, the person made the story you like though. I never buy into the idea of separating the brain from the body since the mind is from where the themes and all the good stuff comes from. Example: Watsuki is an evil bastard and so Kenshin is now just full of lies and unfortunate implications and ultimately meaningless. |
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Amy192
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Ah yes the simple task of learning one of the hardest languages to learn from having English as a first language |
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AkumaChef
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I don't want to offend the Mangaka. If it's a title that I enjoy then I have a great deal of respect for him or her. I'm simply stating that them getting mad about something doesn't necessarily mean that is a bad thing for everyone involved. Artists emotions often make poor business decisions (and vice-versa). @Blanchimont Fair enough, I get your point, I was simply triggered by your use of the term "utterly". It's totally fair to say that things like scanlations and fansubs make shows more accessible. |
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