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Nanitori
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This reminds me of how some famous veteran seiyu stopped getting work because they demanded more money.
Like, you may be iconic, and legendary, but you definitely aren't in your prime anymore, and no matter how good you are, you aren't irreplaceable, and there is someone good enough, if not better, and also cheaper. People who watch anime will also get used to a new voice actor, and if not, they're still in minority. ... This woman is absolutely wrong if she thinks people will really boycott the game. |
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gamegodtre
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Taylor stated she wishes no ill will toward Hale, claiming she loves and supports actors, but added she feels Hale has “no right” to call herself the voice of Bayonetta or sign merchandise as her, as Taylor feels she "created the voice."
If i cant be Bayonetta i will burn the game to the ground so noone can be her |
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RommieSG
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I love Jennifer Hale, she is my Commander Shepard and so many other iconic characters. But I recall recently that Hale had advocated for better pay, better conditions, better rights for voice actors in the industry. And here she is taking the role of Bayonetta from the established actress. And I doubt that with the aforementioned advocacy that she heralds, that she would settle for $4000 pay.
No, there has to be more than what's being said here. A lot of this just doesn't add up. |
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Minos_Kurumada
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She is on her right to demand more money and Platinum on its right to either accept or look for somebody else.
They did the second and that's mostly it, don't see the problem unless she is arguing the offer can manipulate the demand. Good luck with that. |
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BadNewsBlues
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It’s not even the advocacy as iconic as she is there’s no way she was offered that same amount. |
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MFrontier
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Well, that sucks for Taylor. I love Jennifer Hale but couldn't even tell that was her as Bayonetta...but I'm not sure she'd accept that kind of pay as well, so I'm wondering what's really going on here.
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flamemasterelan
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In general, I support higher pay among voice actors, and better benefits in general. But this case doesn't sit well with me. Mostly because the actor in question tried to negotiate for better pay, was turned down, and then decided to call a boycott on the entire game. And...there doesn't seem to be a plan, or a second step here. It's just "boycott the game, donate your money to charity."
Like, if this had been a few months ago, she could have leveraged a potential boycott for higher pay or royalties, but at this point...it's already done? There's nothing for her to gain from this, just for Platinum Games to lose. And is Nintendo going to learn the lesson that paying a voice actor better will make their games a success? Because...that's not going to be the lesson if Bayonetta 3 sells poorly. The lesson will be "people don't want anymore Bayonetta, I guess." I wish Hellena the best, and she did a fantastic job as Bayonetta. I just don't understand her goals here. |
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Somer-_-
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I agree. I've heard Voice Artists say time and again that undercutting another VA that's still negotiating is a super shitty thing. I can't believe Hale knew about the circumstances. Best of luck with Taylor but I wasn't going to buy the game anyways. |
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RockSplash
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On one hand, Taylor was a great VA for Bayonetta. However, as awful as it is, I'm with platinum on this one. It reminds me of the time the OG actors for Trigun were planning to voice the movie. Funimation got JYB(because of course they did) and replaced everyone else. A big reason for it was the OG VAs not getting paid a decent amount. In the industry, it is perfectly fine to go with someone else if they do not agree with demands honestly, I didn't even know Bayo was voiced by someone else, and, let's be honest by pedigree. While I know Taylor was great, Hale absolutely would deserve the higher pay raise. She is one if the top voice actors for many union gigs(such as Disney).
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Dr. Wily
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I mean I think it's pretty obvious, she wants people to know how messed up the treatment of voice actors is. She might not have said anything much before because she was afraid of breaking her NDA but as she said in the video, she's got little to lose. And that tends to make people a little bolder. It's never bad to expose a messed up system.
I mean, what would be a second step? Try holding Platinum hostage? She can't exactly demand people boycott the game unless she gets re-hired, there's no guarantee about that. People threatening to not buy the game is not the same as them actually not buying the game. So she's saying that hey if you boycott it and have $60 burning a hole in your pocket then maybe do some good in the world. It's not a crazy ask.
I know people think game publishers/corporations are dumb... and they're mostly right, but if it actually caused a significant dip in sales, then someone would notice. Hell, Hideki Kamiya has already responded to the video. I mean, he claims she's lying, but the point is, that's one important person that is aware of the situation and will definitely be able to tell if it has any effect on sales. Last edited by Dr. Wily on Sun Oct 16, 2022 12:33 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Los Nido
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No offense to Ms. Taylor but something about this situation seems a bit off and I feel there's more to this story than it appears. Jennifer Hale is a much higher profile VA than she and no doubt cost more to cast instead of her. I'm thinking this is another Big Boss situation where they hired Kiefer Sutherland over David Hayter for the sake of big name casting rather than money concerns. Maybe they had an contract obligation to offer Taylor the role first so they lowballed her so she'd refuse and then could go for Hale after. And unlike the situation with some anime dubs where they were offered $150 dollars for a movie, $4000 doesn't seem that bad for a game that averages about 3 hours of cutscenes.
Either way, I can't say a new voice is enough to get me to boycott or not play a game I love. A video game's enjoyment is more than just one voice actor. |
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flamemasterelan
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The next step would not involve Platinum, obviously. As we've recently seen with Kyle McCarley, his goal was to pressure Crunchyroll into a union agreement, and is likely still hoping that the fan backlash will lead down that path. With Hellena, I don't see a path forward. She torched her career in the industry, and the only thing I'm left thinking at the end of the day is that Platinum hurt her, so she wants to hurt them back. Which is a valid feeling, it's just... Nothing's going to change from this. |
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Cardcaptor Takato
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Dr. Wily
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I mean it kind of is though? That's like saying live action actors don't deserve that much for being in movies that are only 2 hours. Plus keep in mind, the cutscenes aren't the only voiced thing in the game. She has to voice every grunt, quip or other sound effect Bayo makes over every bit of gameplay. I don't live there but I've heard from numerous people that 4k isn't gonna pay your rent for long (even in a pretty bad apartment) in London*. And that's before factoring in basic living expenses like food, water, and electricity. Plus she gets nothing like residuals. As noted, Bayonetta makes $450 million from games alone, so that's before things like merch. Nintendo (and Platinum) is not a struggling indie developer, they have more than enough to pay the actress who has portrayed the character for 2 games now a decent wage. *if your solution is "well leave the major metropolitan area then", you should look into all the other stories about how VAs are being called into studio now instead of being able to record from home. |
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Dark Mac
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Who did that happen to? |
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