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Hon'ya-chan
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Man, what the hell were these guys smoking when they picked these? Dramacon would be a good pick for young people, but not the other OEL crap.
Make 5 Wishes.....complete waste of time, and I can't understand what the underlying message is. Imaginary friends are good? |
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marie-antoinette
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I have to admit, I keep wanting to check 5 Wishes out. The story sounds intriguing and the art is gorgeous. I also think that if this was something from Japan with a JPop star instead of Avril, everyone would think it was cool.
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Mohawk52
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Glad to see Romeo and Juliet made the list, but sad that Hamlet did not. Oh well maybe later.
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CatzCradle
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I'm so happy to see After School Nightmare made the the list! Can't wait for the next volume to come out...
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KAtchan15
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To be honest, manwha's have been giving me a lot of trouble lately. Specially Ice kunion's "Forest of gray city". I still don't have volume 2 [Tried ordering it but B&N can't get it somehow] Plus "100% perfect girl" [net comics] vol. 3, it makes me really mad when I can't get the things I want. Ice kunion doesn't have a site either.
I'm really happy that death note's tops them all. It's the best manga I've read so far. |
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Mr.Shonen
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Death Note is a no-brainer, but Kekkaishi, that's what I'm talking about. YOu people should go pick it up. It's a good series.
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mhermance
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"Man, what the hell were these guys smoking when they picked these?"
Remember, these nominations were not made by otaku, but librarians. Not that, ahem, somebody can't be both. But in this case the criteria were not limited to manga and manhwa, and for a very specific, age defined reading group. So the nominations had to be for, say, 13-19 year olds, and although the titles *could* be from anywhere in the publishing world, most would be from the big North American publisherss, with a strong showing from Japan and some from Korea. Since the judges deal with this stuff for a living (a good way to kill a hobby, by the way), they had to wade through a *lot* of nominations, as well as their regular work. I'm glad it turned out as well as it did. |
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quartears
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I just call manga j-comics to truly distinguish it from regular American graphic novels and Korean manhwa.
That's sad that no one's going crazy for Monster. Then again I guess Monster's not really for teens... |
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SharinganEye
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Especially given crap titles nominated like "Princess Resurrection." |
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shirokiryuu
Posts: 714 Location: Northern California (SF Bay Area) |
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Wow. Cool Mushi-shi? I hope this means I will be able to find it at my library soon.
Although i love this manga, I doesn't seem as much as a stereotypical "teen" title, but I'm glad for all the attention it's getting. |
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Snowcleo
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As one of the librarians who was on the 2007 Great Graphic Novels for Teens committee, I want to thank Anime News Network for getting the word out about the list and the work that YALSA is doing to promote graphic novels. It was a fun committee to work on with a great group of dedicated professionals who ranged from longtime otaku and fanboys/girls to graphic novels newbies. Everyone took the responsibility of crafting such a list very seriously and tried to find the best titles from the widest range of publishers, artists, writers, genres, countries, etc. mhermance is correct in that we did have an age range we were working in, though that range is 12-18, instead of 13-19. (Thank you, mhermance, for your kind words of support for our work.)
One mistake I would like to correct is that there was only one manga title on the 2007 list. Actually, there were 10 manga, OEL manga, and manhwa titles on the final list and that doesn't count the ones that were nominated, but ultimately didn't make the list. Here are the manga titles which were on the 2007 list: Svetlana Chmakova Dramacon, vol. 1 (TokyoPop) Amy Kim Ganter Sorcerers & Secretaries, vol. 1 (TokyoPop) Jason Henderson & Tony Salvaggio Psy-Comm, vol. 1 (TokyoPop) Tsugumi Ohba & Takeshi Ohbata Death Note, vols. 1-3 (VIZ) Jen Lee Quick Off*Beat, vol. 1 (TokyoPop) Ji-Sang Shin & Geo Chocolat, vol. 1-3 (ICE Kunion) Naoki Urasawa Naoki Urasawa's Monster, vol. 1 (VIZ) Ai Yazawa Nana, vol. 1-2 (VIZ) Fumi Yoshinaga Antique Bakery, vol. 2-4 (DMP) Higuri You Cantarella, vol. 1 (Go Comi) If you have any manga, manhwa, OEL manga, or other graphic novels which you love, you are welcome to nominate them for the 2008 Great Graphic Novels for Teens list. They must have been published between Sept. 1, 2006 and Dec. 31, 2007. And, to answer the question about ICE Kunion titles--their titles are being picked up by the new Yen Press and will be being reprinted as the current print runs sell out. The continuing volumes will also be published by Yen Press, so you will still be able to get the ICE Kunion titles you know and love. Hope this helps answer any question you might have! |
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Snowcleo
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Okay, so rereading the article I see that it is correct that Death Note was the only title on the Top Ten. Sorry about the confusion! The problem with being a avid reader is that sometimes I don't read as carefully as I should! Sorry about that!
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The Xenos
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I don't mind American or non-Japanese books being mentioned. I do mind that only SOME of them were mentioned.
Sure you mention Avalon High Coronation Volume 1, Dramacon Volume 2, and My Dead Girlfriend Volume 1and the German title Gothic Sports. Why not mention Re-Gifters by Mike Carey, Sonny Liew, Marc Hempel? It's about a young Asian American teen. She's Korean and you cover Korean manhwa. Why not cover an American book about Korean Americans? That bugs the crap out of me. Really, do you only cover American books that have the bullcrap label 'manga' on them? Why does everything TokyoPop have get covered by the same books by the same authors at other companies get ignored? Hey, why not cover Paul Pope's Batman Year 100? Pope is an actual American mangaka. He went over to Japan and published under a Japanese publisher for some years. I'm not trying to attack ANN and its coverage, but I really don't get these inconsistencies and the invisible lines that get drawn by companies, fans, and news outlets. It's really frustrating when I see this done. You even mention that terrible sounding Romeo and Juliet in the generic bullcrap 'manga style'. Ugh. That 'Manga Shakespeare' is being done by some American authors is just dumbfounding (or in this case Bristish authors publishing in America). Hell, I know plenty of good British comic book authors. Though they tend to do more mature audience books. I shouldn't have to even get into 'Avril Lavigne's Make Five Wishes' being labeled manga. I'll just add that it's funny that I bought a comic the same month by who I later found was the same artist. One publisher (SLG) calls their work a comic, another (DelRay) calls it manga. So.. is it money that determines the definition of a word since one is a huge publishing house and the other is a small indie publisher? The abuse of the word continues. That any American publisher can produce their own manga is bullcrap. They can only reprint manga from Japan, not make their own. Anything else is a gimmick that cheapens the word. That ANN accepts this and even helps it instead of calling it out annoys me. Why ignore the issue of American books using a Japanese term. Let's investigate it. Let's look at it. Let's just not let it slip under the radar and accept it. I have friends into animation and comics as their field. It's not my field, but I hope to help them and work on it myself as a hobby and passion writing comics. So it affects me personally when I see that a comic has to falsely label itself 'manga' to get noticed by brainwashed fans. I'm not just trolling. This issue directly affects me and my friends. It's a major concern for me.
Calling manga 'J-comics' makes more sense than calling American books 'manga'. Why call an American product by a Japanese name in English? THAT makes no sense. You know, unless it's a gimmick trying to trick people. To be fair, Monster is more of a mature readers title, not teens. Though I think they should be able to if they're a bit older, just put a warning for older teens. It's an amazing book.
It's not so much they're looking for teen titles. It's more so a good title for teens. I think it's a wonderful title for them, nevermind wonderful in general. One final note. I just saw you can see which titles were nominated, but rejected. I find it interesting that Scott McCloud's Making Comics, a tome teaching about the history of comics and manga and how one can make their own comics, was left out. No wonder so many teens don't know what manga and comics are. Though to be honest, I've only read his first book Understanding Comics. This is basically an updated version with a bit more focus on creating comics. I keep meaning to buy it or borrow it from a friend. I highly recommend either book to anyone looking into making their own comics or interested in their history and scholarly value. Last edited by The Xenos on Thu Aug 23, 2007 4:59 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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britannicamoore
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The Xenos- I think thats the first time i've agreed with everything you said 100%.
I've always wondered why they call it OEL manga. Sure its manga style but its not the real thing regardless. And I read five wishes. It was complete garbage. That list...was. I think they could have picked some better titles. I wonder if they sent the manga to the libraies or they had to read off of what they already had. if thats the case...it might explain why some titles were so poor. |
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The Xenos
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Thanks for the agreement, but I have to disagree with you. (Aren't I a stinker? Can't even take a compliment!
 ) I'd go even further than you did and say these books aren't even in a 'manga style'.
I'd say there is no manga style, just a stereotype of what manga, or Japanese comics, should look like. Manga has a variety of art styles and to say there is only one style to manga is a disservice. It's pretty much as bad as saying all Asian people look alike! And that's terrible. I have shelves full of manga. Yotsuba&! is a different style from Blame! is a different style from One Piece is a different style from Lone Wolf and Cub. I'd turn around to list off more, but right now I have a cat asleep in my lap. Also, someone mentioned Death Note. The reason Death Note isn't listed looks to be that Viz didn't nominate it. http://www.ala.org/ala/yalsa/booklistsawards/greatgraphicnovelsforteens/nominations.htm Though I want to say it got mentioned last year. Maybe that is why it's not on this year. Actually, edit, Death Note was listed in the Top Ten Graphic Novel List of 2007. http://www.ala.org/ala/yalsa/booklistsawards/greatgraphicnovelsforteens/07topten.htm So I guess that's even better than being on this new longer list. Woot! Tokyopop artist of pirate tale East Caost Rising Becky Cloonan and Brian Wood's Demo also is on this list. Sadly, that udder piece of garbage Identity Crisis is also on the list. This one really split DC fans. Some fans like it. Others hate it. I'm in the latter. That they took a lighthearted character killed her, burned her body, and rapred retroactively in a flashback disgusts me to no end. Even more disgusting is that the rape was never talked about ever again nor were the issues of her rape ever delt with in any following comic. Never mind this story behind the scenes in editorial of how it happened. (Part 1. Part 2.) I like to ignore DC ever published such a piece of garbage. Oh and Warren Ellis's NextWave: Agents of H.A.T.E. being on the top ten list is also epic win. Go read it or Fing Fang Foom will put you in his giant monster pants. |
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