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Tenchi
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I liked but didn't love How to Train Your Dragon 2, it was a bit too dry compared to the original film, but I know the Annie is given out by people within the animation industry and How to Train Your Dragon 2 does deserve some recognition for the Apollo real-time animation technology, so maybe that pushed it over the edge.
With the Golden Globe and now the Annie, How to Train Your Dragon 2 is in a nice position for an Oscar hat trick. |
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EricJ2
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Thank you--I thought there was something wrong with me that I was apparently the only virus-immune survivor on the planet who thought Dragon 2 was cold, rushed, plotless and didn't seem to have any compelling reason to be on screen, and that the Lego Movie was as attention-deficited, sophomorically self-amusing and insufferably smugsy-wugsy as all of Lord & Miller's movies. Maybe I'm bitter about the voters being "too busy" to have seen Wreck-It Ralph in theaters ("Let's it to Brave, you never go wrong voting for Pixar!"  ), but I'm putting my "Busy animation-illiterate voter" bet on the Disney movie.
The art and foreign nominees know, it's just an honor to make the cut, and shut out the other Dreamworks and Sony movies. |
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gloverrandal
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Aside from the Japanese stuff, was there any actual animation nominated? Or just Flash and CGI works? I find it a bit disappointing that animation doesn't win animation awards.
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Saku-dono
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What can we say... U.S of A will mostly vote their own products... Takahata's Kaguya was fantastic but it's certainly not for all ages. Maybe that was the down factor. How to blah-blah-blah-dragon 2 didn't fancy my liking but well, it certainly got a more children-friendly atmosphere...
And again, better luck next time Ghibli... I hope you do get your deserved award next time 
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shoneshmajster
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What do you mean lol? Everything's an animation technique. You just want hand-drawn animation to be the "one". |
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Animerican14
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The first I heard of the Annie Awards was back around 2004-2005, and that was when Yoko Kanno's Wolf's Rain OST was nominated for "Music in a Television Production." I was kind of excited about that, even marking the date of the awards in my school-planner calendar. (Thought it was something that'd receive a TV broadcast of some sort. :'D) Then I found out via this article that-- holy crap, this is almost ten years old exactly to the date! :o-- it lost to Robert J. Kral's composition for the Daffy Duck cartoon Duck Dodgers.
Needless to say, I haven't cared nearly as much about the Annie Awards since as I did that time. Which is probably lame of me, considering how much more I know about the animation industry today than I did back then, hah. Hope a career send-off for a dying breed of animator will beat out the latest Dreamworks sequel.* Isao Takahata's name really needs to be heard more. *Though a win for Song of the Sea might be fine too. |
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SquadmemberRitsu
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I wouldn't be surprised if the people voting never saw Princess Kaguya.
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ScruffyKiwi
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There won't be a 'next time' for Ghibli. It is unlikely that they will ever make any feature animation movies again. |
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Drac
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All the awards in the world aren't going to save Dreamworks... or Ghibli for that matter.
Yuasa's Adventure Time episode didn't look nearly good as it could have but hearing about how it was made I can kind of understand why it comes off as one of his lesser works in terms of art direction and animation. The art direction of the Mickey Mouse cartoons is great and if I had to give any of the nominees a dumb award it would have been those anyway. |
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Tenchi
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^ Yeah, I hadn't even seen any of that new Mickey Mouse series (don't have cable at the moment and I don't subscribe to any streaming services) but, watching the short clips of it on the Annie Awards livestream, I can understand why it won, taking classic Disney characters but animating them in a radically different style.
I liked How to Train Your Dragon 2 but it kind of felt like I was watching a movie based upon a very good videogame spinoff of the original movie rather than a straight sequel: much more action-oriented and without nearly as much of the quiet moments. Ironically, the videogames based upon the sequel are supposed to be terrible Pilotwings clones with a handful of minigames that really don't have much to do with the movie, when all they would have needed to do would be to have each level be based on a sequence on the film and, assuming it was playable, it would have been at least decent. |
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Galap
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I suspect that anime movies not seeming to be able to win these kind of awards has less to do with the fact that they're foreign (though I'm sure it's a factor), and more to do with the fact that they're drawn animation, which the US has basically completely abandoned and considers inferior to 3DCG.
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BlueBitterCoffee
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No your not alone , I found the movie to be rather boring . The mother irritated me on how she abandoned her kid for dragons . And how one dimensional the villain was, we never were even told how the heck he controlled dragons. But I do give the movie props for spoiler[Killing off an important well developed main character, (the father)] that and the animation and character design was very nice. but other then that I was disappointed when he movie finished.[/spoiler] |
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Hameyadea
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Well, you win some, you lose some. The movie still garnered a good numbers of wins and nominations already, so all-in-all, it isn't doing badly with the critique.
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bravetailor
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The Annie Awards is the time of the year when animation industry people are able to really pat themselves on the back and show their biases. So smaller, independent animations often get shut out. How to Train Your Dragon 2 seems to be the movie a lot of people in the industry are biased for. Conversely, The Lego Movie isn't really that well liked among many people in the animation industry.
This has been very informative for people who were trying to figure out why they nominated the way they did for the Oscars (again, I have to stress to everyone that the Oscar nominations were largely decided by those in the animation industry--many people seem not to know this). There seems to be a huge push for HTTYD2 to win everything. In some ways, the fact that the Oscars have outsiders voting for the ACTUAL WINNERS actually gives Song of the Sea and Princess Kaguya a better chance at winning than the Annie Awards where if you're an independent you can get shut out. Unfortunately, Oscar voters are sometimes old, dumb, and easily arm twisted if there is a large enough movement behind certain movies. Looks like the animation industry has its own internal politics. |
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kazenoyume
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You HAVE to see every film in a category to vote in it. If you're talking about the animation controversy last year, it's that not many people voted in the animation category period because they abstained from voting since they hadn't seen all the films. This doesn't eliminate studio bias at all, and don't get me wrong, the Oscars are corrupt, but voters HAVE seen all the movies if they vote in a category. Brave was a better movie, although Wreck it Ralph was also fantastic, but I think the real reason Wreck it Ralph lost is because most of the voters are older and the video game storyline didn't gel with them because of that. Not fair, but that's the Oscars. That being said I find it odd that you think that the voters were 'too busy' for Wreck it Ralph, a Disney film, but they aren't 'too busy' for BH6. Seems a bit biased on your part? The movies had a similar level of popularity and made similar bank at the box office. WIR is no more an underdog than BH6. Big Hero 6 will probably not win because it suffers the same fate of WIR. It's too modern for the old, white, male fuddy duddy voters. They're not going to vote for what is essentially a sci-fi superhero flick rooted in a love of Japanese pop culture (yes we had Incredibles, but it was rooted in old fashioned superhero comics and also starred adults). BH6 also has the extra disadvantage of starring a racial minority, and we know the Oscars don't often give that a fair shake (let's not even mention The Book of Life's snub). Actually the idea that the Oscars are firmly behind Disney is kind of weird, because last year is the first time they've won one. And even with Pixar, a Disney subsidiary, the times they've won it's with films that were by far the best reviewed mainstream animated films of the year (with one exception), so it's hardly surprising or indication of some huge Oscar 'bias'. Additionally, both times Pixar was nominated in best animated feature and lost it was to a movie that received poorer reviews than the Pixar film. So no, Pixar doesn't have an unfair advantage any more than say Dreamworks or Sony. And neither does Disney. That ANY Dreamworks, Pixar, Sony film is really is really 'favored' because of the company producing it is pretty baseless. They're all huge companies putting major bank into promoting their films if they think they're good enough, and that's what it takes to have a chance. SMALL company released films are the ones that don't get a fair shot. Plus, How to Train Your Dragon is a sequel to an extremely well reviewed first film, which lost because its competition that year (Toy Story 3) was just that good. They're likely going to give it a 'you would have won in a lot of other years, but not 2010, so here's a consolation prize' award. And again, in comparison to BH6 it's going to appeal a lot more to the older voters. Last edited by kazenoyume on Sun Feb 01, 2015 9:06 am; edited 1 time in total |
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