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Dr. Wily
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To quote Marge Simpson, you shouldn't say it. At least for the writers, you definitely shouldn't say it out loud on a website if you still wanna get sent legal press screeners and such.
Wow, I hadn't looked into it (since I wasn't really interested in the Pokemon anime) but that's kinda wild. I know some of Netflix's anime default to dub when you just pick it to watch but I've never seen one that straight up doesn't offer sub. That must be a weird contract. But I get it, the vast majority of that show's viewers are gonna be dub watchers anyway. |
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Nipasu
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I have to disagree with this. Yes Pretty Cure was mostly unlicensed until 2020 (The two Glitter Force dubs are exceptions) but I wouldn't blame Toei definitely (Or, shockingly, at all). Looking at Toei (And Toei USA) it seems they did try to promote the franchise in the 2000s-2010s. Ocean Productions released a dub in 2009 (which didn't last long), Winckler Productions got Pretty Cure 5 (never got picked up) and 4Kids was able to license the first series until they lost the license in 2006. Toei was seen promoting Mahou Tsukai at Anime Japan 2016. But the biggest shred of proof to me: Toei USA bothering to give every single season an English logo, even translating certain names into English and giving English logos to the series airing from 2016-2018 (when GF was a thing). if Toei never planned to license Pretty Cure to the West, why bother do any of this? Also, this doesn't make any sense. Why would Toei purposely gatekeep one of their biggest titles but then give every other one of their big IPs western licensing? Shouldn't Once Piece, DBZ, Sailor Moon (Yes I know Cosmos isn't available yet) and Digimon be treated the same way? Yet these franchises seem to have an easier way to achieve Western licensing (especially the shonen stuff). Yet it's Pretty Cure, the only IP aimed ay young girls, that gets ignored? If I have to blame somebody, I'd say look at the Western Anime companies that didn't license any girls' anime since the late 2000s. Toei may get flack for Pretty Cure, but you can't blame them for: *Tokyo Mew Mew *Ojamajo Doremi **Ashita no Nadja Aikatsu ***Mermaid Melody Jewelpet The Pretty Series (Pretty Rhythm, **PriPara, Kiratto Pri Chan, Himitsu No Aipri) Mewkledreamy * Show wasn't re-licensed. ** Show wasn't picked up by a broadcaster, though it was licensed at a time *** Mermaid Melody was dubbed, but ADV never released it. Yeah, pretty convenient that all of these shows had trouble getting licensed (Or re-licensed) in the same time frame Pretty Cure was unavailable. And when Pretty Cure was finally picked up by Crunchyroll (in 2020, the year COVID was ruining the planet), the Pretty Series also began seeing licensed content too (Kiratto PriChan Season 1, PriPara Season 4, Waccha PriMagi got a simulcast). And with CR; they licensed Healin Good in June 2020, right before it returned form it's two month hiatus. If they really wanted HG, why not license it in February? So I don't think Toei's to blame---can't confirm this because I never had a business relationship with them ever, but looking at things subjectively has give me a different viewpoint. As for their latest show, seeing Toei USA promote makes me think Toei wanted to license it but nobody wanted it. Maybe it was Toei's faults, or its the licensors who didn't care for it. Maybe they thought it looked unsettling and didn't want to invest in it. I don't know.
It's streaming on Anime Digital Network. |
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jakewil85
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In case you don't know, episode 11 and 12 of Pon no Michi are blocked on Youtube because of bogus copyright claims.
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Cardcaptor Takato
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funkfoot
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It's changed in recent years I think, at least some episodes are available on Amazon Prime in Japan. Might just be an exception though. But overall the creator was very strict with how Sazae-san was handled. Although there's obviously plenty of non-official archives of the episodes floating around. Stuff like Pokemon, Digimon, and Yu-Gi-Oh make sense why. The companies want to keep the brand synergy intact so revealing that. That's why even when Yu-Gi-Oh got subs for awhile they used the dub names for the cards and everything even if they were in perfect English originally and the characters saying something completely different. I assume any official Pokemon sub that may eventually pop up would insist on using the English names for everything as well. It's not anime but I assume the same is for Super Sentai. Disney and Saban were infamous for blockading and gatekeeping various Japanese IPs to stop them from competing with the good old "Power Rangers". Macross fans should know about that. And apparently Disney was powerful enough to meddle with Kyatto Ninden Teyandee for decades until semi-recently. Disney even stopped them from appearing in Tatsunoko vs. Capcom. |
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Nipasu
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Where is this claim from? And if legit, why did Saban only license Smile and Doki Doki? (Unless Toei changed their tune by then).
I think Toei or Cloverway tried promoting Sailor Stars but nobody licensed it. And looking at how the first four seasons were dubbed, I can't imagine how anybody back then would have handled Stars.
Yet Looking For Magical Doremi received an English dub that was produced in Dubai and is streaming in the UK. It's weird because of the circumstances, but also impractical to dub it anyways because the English dub only did Season 1 (minus one ep). |
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NJ_
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Those English logos came from Toei Japan and were also used in other countries who had the series like Italy when they had their dub airing on TV pre-Glitter Force.
In the case of Super Sentai (and certain Metal Heroes shows), that's more on Hasbro since they have the rights now after Saban sold the Power Rangers rights to them. It's part of why those that got streamed on the Toei Toku YouTube channel got region-blocked outside of parts of Asia.
It was from a guy in the Sakuga community and while he closed his Twitter long ago, here's the quote since it was posted at Sailor Moon Forum in 2015 after he tweeted it.
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Cardcaptor Takato
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kgw
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I have a better question: what if the anime you like is licensed "worldwide" by a platform who doesn't think the world exists beyond the US?
For example, Mission Yozakura Family is in Disney+… in some countries, apparently. |
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BigOnAnime
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When stuff doesn't get licensed, man can things be a mess. Strike the Blood III, IV, and V, the quality of the fansubs were terrible and it's unlikely Crunchyroll will get the rest. Recently III and IV got better fansubs, but V is still SOL. On the bright side, the few groups left have much higher standards than the garbage from the 2000s. 2000s fansubs are almost universally atrocious, people were basically wanting romaji captions back then. Also, if you were watching TV fansubs, oof. I recently managed to come across TV fansubs of two old Shaft shows to see how they differed from the DVD versions (as Shaft stuff tends to differ the most from TV to home video) I saw on FUNimationNow, MoonPhase and Pani Poni Dash!, and ouch at how awful the video quality was. Whenever I find myself watching an old SD fansub, the video souce is usually from a DVD, so this was quite something to see. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GLKP2UNWEAADxE0?format=png&name=orig https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GLKP3_QXMAAzH9T?format=png&name=orig https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GLKP7LZW4AAQVOK?format=png&name=orig https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GLKP9FXWMAAFvcw?format=png&name=orig |
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Joe Mello
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Aside from the standard "contracts and rights can be weird sometimes," I think we're dealing with the two facts that anime has never been bigger and anime in the US has never been more monopolized. Yes, there are multiple streaming options for anime, but the ones that the market associate with anime are Crunchyroll and HIDIVE and they are not on the same level as each other. So Japanese companies with perhaps an overinflated view of their product (for once) ask for too much and Sony counters with offering too little, and the gap is too big to reconcile.
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Blanchimont
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That's easy to answer. We pirate or watch the ripped streams. |
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cyberdraco
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As a fan of Shinkalion I know the feeling. Cause unless your Precure post Healin Good and Digimon, anime streaming sites don't simulcast anime with toy lines.
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Blanchimont
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At least Shinkalion has a reliable fansub group/person, same one as for the previous seasons. |
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nutmegknight
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Liking children’s anime especially ones aimed at girls is rough when it comes to official streaming or even fan subs. Multiple shoujo anime that came out decades ago aren’t fully subbed or even only got fansubbed a little while ago (Lady Lady!!, Ask Dr. Rin, Fushigiboshi no Futagohime are among some examples of old Shoujo anime not fully subbed through some of these are by Toei and they aren’t great when it comes to making their series available in English)
Though I suppose a lot of factors come into play like adults not wanting to watch kids shows or shows for girls especially if they didn’t grow up with it, licensors not wanting to license a kids anime in subs given that the target audience may not be old enough to read subs and some of these anime are meant to sell toys and they may not want to make toys and release an anime (Mermaid Melody didn’t get picked up for an English dub airing because they couldn’t get a merch deal I believe). Even if kids anime gets an English dub, it can be horribly butchered (4kids dubs and even Glitter Force recently). It’s also pretty bad with manga too, either it’s poorly done (early Tokyopop releases of Tokyo Mew Mew) or just doesn’t release officially (Tokyo Mew Mew 2020 Re-Turn). Was disappointed that the recent Himitsu no Aipri didn’t get an English simulcast despite the recent Primagi, another Pretty Series anime, getting one through Hidive (though I guess not enough people watched it or bought the Blu ray but I guess it’s not as well known as Crunchyroll and their poor mobile app at the time put people off). |
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