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jhanime
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I think it's great that Tokyo Pop is expanding the OEL line. It's nice to see some hidden talents' artworks. But I wish TokyoPop will also concentrate on faster releases of the Japanese manga books. It's frustrating to see the release dates of some mangas pushed back to as far as next year.
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Fronzel
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Did you read the Midnight Orchestra review?
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linlinchan
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By which I'm assuming you're referring to A Midnight Opera? |
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Treeloot
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[quote=Tokyopop]We've taken a very broad definition of manga at Tokyopop from the beginning. [We] look at it as not just comics from Japan, but a real state of mind, a way of thinking about creating. Literally, there's a strong emotional reaction in the stories.[/quote]
Jesus Christ, this is the worst definition of manga I've heard in my entire life. They're acting like every manga is like an arthouse film or something. That's not a case. There's no way of thinking, emotional reaction, or way of thinking that defines manga. They're just saying this so they can keep calling their crappy american comics manga. All American "manga" if you can call it that, I've seen is crap not worth my time. |
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linlinchan
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Nice blanket statement. Some American manga is really good. It's sad that people write it off simply because it's not Japanese. |
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SharinganEye
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It would be very nice if a "middle-man" term like OEL manga for example, became more widespread so we can better identify comics. But the term itself is still too linguistically restrictive. I personally like and use the term "pseudo-manga." Of course some might find it "pejorative" so I think the best fit would be "World Manga" at this point, though even then it's still meh. |
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Fronzel
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Yeah, that too. |
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Tempest
 I Run this place.ANN Publisher  Posts: 10426 Location: Do not message me for support. |
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I've read a few that I've enjoyed. That said most of what I've read has not been up to what I'd call proffessional standards. The medium has just as much potential as Original Japanese manga, but most of what we're seing right now doesn't reach that potential. I haven't seen a *REALLY* good new OEL in quite a while. Not since before the current manga boom got started. -t |
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Treeloot
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If this original "manga" if you can actually call it that is so good, how come I haven't read any of it that's good, I never hear of anybody buying it, and I never hear gushing reviews of any of it?
Almost all if not all of it is crap written by wannabe Japanese people. I think OEL is just a cruddy way to cash in on the popularity of manga. |
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Truth_Teller
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Tokyopop is trying to milk everything they can from the whole Manga craze. i.e. Cinemanga and OEL manga. They're all pretty much crap with a few exceptions. They're pretty shameless in terms of trying to get anything and everything that they own out on the street with translation problems and shoddy workmanship. I feel sorry for the freelancers that are probably underpaid who take on the tedious task of whiping out japanese text and putting in english text. If you look at the percentage of "good" manga that's out there, it's pretty slim. That's because companies like Tokyopop value quantity over quality. Oversaturation is the going to be the biggest problem with manga releases. And another reason for the existence of OELs in the first place is that they're probably reluctant to pay royalty and licensing fees anymore to Japanese licensors. Typical. With OELs, they can pay as much or as little as they want to aspiring "american" artists. Basically, you get what you pay for, everyone. My two cents. |
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linlinchan
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 Sigh. There's obviously no arguing with you. "Well, if I haven't heard of it, it must not exist."
I can name several OEL manga that I like just as much as your average Japanese manga. Off*Beat, Dramacon, i luv halloween, and Mark of the Succubus are 4 that come to mind right now. Granted, there are some that I really don't like, but how can you say that the entire genre is "crap by wannabe Japanese people." NONE of these is about Japan or Japanese people. All of them decidedly take place in Western locations, about American/Western people. Additionally, only 50 short years ago, a Japanese man who liked Disney cartoons and Betty Boop picked up a pen and decided to draw his own style, heavily influenced by these American cartoons and comics. There are people, I'm sure, who condemned his work as a rip-off and unoriginal, as an attempt to cash in on Disney's popularity, but that man stayed with his dream, and he became the Grandfather of Japanese manga and animation as we know it today, Osamu Tezuka. People who take influences from other countries, other sources, are always going to be called cheap imitations in the beginning. Now, I'm not saying that any of these artists is definately going to have as full and as illustrious a career as Tezuka but sit back and think about what you're saying. Japanese did not invent the genre of comics, and the man who made them what they are today was super-influenced by Disney. Stop being a hypocrite, and open your eyes. I'm not saying you should like any of the manga that I've listed above, you're certainly welcome not to. But certainly race and nationality SHOULDN'T be a factor when deciding whether something is worthwhile or not. Wait a few years. OEL is still young, the way that manga was in the 50's and it will take a few decades for the culture here to become widespread enough that manga education will be at the level of Japan. Anyway, that's my 2 cents, I guess. |
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subaru
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I just want to say its wrong to call comic books that were not created by japanese with the term manga. I'm not saying American mangas are all bad or anything, but with the term "manga" attached to them, people will just think they are some sorts of 2nd rated by-product created by japanese-wannabe-americans. People can never see the originality of these artists if they are to be marketed like this.
We all have to understand that the japanese word manga, it just means comic. It could be dragon ball, inuyasha or even batman, superman, spiderman. There is no point blindly calling any comic books that are not japanese made manga. Can't we just call them graphic novels just like what they are suppose to be!! They are just comic drawn in differnet style. Just like there are different style of writing for novels & movies. Also, (a little off topic) this apply to anime and manga title too. Just why do we have to use title like Hikaru no Go, Kyou Kara Maou for an english TRANSLATED anime!! I bet a lot of people out there don't even know what they mean. so much for TRANSLATION!! Its just wrong to think anything that sounds japanese is cool, and we should blindly copy them. |
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darkhunter
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Would be nice if you said what manga you read. Or are you just going on the assumption that they're crap because nobody is talking about them?
I don't know, some people are just really closed minded. I know several people like this who hate korean manhwa and think that it has to come from japan to be really good or because nobody is talking about it than it probably suck. |
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Steventheeunuch
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Thing is, there is no one consistient style for either comics or manga. Manga, while being a Japanese word for comic, is an adopted word in the English language for Japanese comics. Calling Japanese comics Manga, Korean comics Manhwa, and American comics comics helps to define where things came from, and keeps things simple. Again, there's no set (generally) style on how these things are done, so identifying by region is the best thing to do. Of course, TP are [expletive] this up, because since Manga is doing so well, they're trying to hock off this sort of stuff as Manga, which well.. I dunno, it's not doing anyone any favours.
That's an entirely subjective thing, but a title depends on how marketable it is. Ai Yori Aoshi, for example, translates as something like.. "blue over blue"? Not a title that interests people alot. Hikaru No Go would be "Hikaru's Go", and since it's a Japanese title, about a Japanese thing, it wouldn't really hurt to call it Hikaru no Go. |
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JTtheBrick
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Quoted for truth. It was US culture that fueled Tezuka. So be grateful, because if it weren't for these crappy americans you wouldn't be downloading Anime subs. |
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