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Eddy564



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 11:23 am Reply with quote
As it should have. I enjoyed the ending. People who were comparing it to GoT have absolutely no idea what a dumpster fire that was. I can’t believe people would put it in the same boat.

I really like throwback covers that have some reference to the past. It’s cute!
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 12:15 pm Reply with quote
Ending was good. Many could predict Eren's motives in a way - spoiler[that he was pulling a Lelouch maneuver].

The ending did feel a bit rushed. I feel there should've been another Epilogue chapter covering the spoiler[post-time skip period] and that could've given its large cast and the world situation some more exposition and closure. Maybe the anime can include some original material, but I guess they would still rather the final have action packed in.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:26 pm Reply with quote
I felt the ending had quite a few contradictions, so I personally wasn't too hot on it.
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Danny123100



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 3:28 pm Reply with quote
It was a good and expected ending, at least imo it was fairly obvious that spoiler[Eren was going to end up going the same way as Lelouche ] I do have three issues though with the ending that I do think needed to be touched up more on spoiler[ 1st. The freaky slug thing, what happened to that? Did it vanish when Eren died? It was just there one minute and then gone, and I would have liked that touched on a bit more. 2. Ymir loving King Fritz. I did NOT like that at all, and that was more Stockholm syndrome than anything, and I don't really like that that was something that was described as being "love". 3. Why was Mikasa the one that had to stop everything? The only explanation we got was "Only Ymir will ever know" and I don't really like that from a narrative standpoint. You don't really want to end your story with leaving your readers with hanging questions.] besides all that though, I don't think it was a BAD ending. It definitely wasn't perfect, and it could have been better too.
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Scion Drake



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 4:22 pm Reply with quote
Quite a ride.

Farewell Eren, it was a sight seeing your quest for freedom.
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Everlasting Coconut



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 4:58 pm Reply with quote
Danny123100 wrote:
spoiler[ 3. Why was Mikasa the one that had to stop everything? The only explanation we got was "Only Ymir will ever know" and I don't really like that from a narrative standpoint. You don't really want to end your story with leaving your readers with hanging questions.] besides all that though, I don't think it was a BAD ending. It definitely wasn't perfect, and it could have been better too.


spoiler[My interpretation is that the story was trying to draw parallels between Ymir/King Fritz and Mikasa/Eren. Mikasa was able to finally able to "get over" Eren and do what she had to do, and this gave Ymir the strength to break free from King Fritz.

Now, I personally don't think these parallels really work at all. I mean, if you decide to view it as "two women who have to get over the men who hurt them", it's fine. But if you start looking closer into it, it just falls apart.

Firstly, Ymir's story is one of an abuser and his victim, and I'd never describe Eren and Mikasa's relationship as an abusive one. Secondly, what Mikasa and Ymir have to do in regards to the men they love is completely different. It's okay for Mikasa to love Eren and keep him in her memory even after his death. In fact, that's what she does in the end, and you could say killing Eren was her ultimate act of love. But what are the implications of Ymir feeling moved by that? Is the story saying that Ymir breaking free from Fritz is an act of love for him? That she should keep him in his memory?

Then of course, as you said, I don't like that Ymir's relationship with Fritz was described as "love." I mean, I want to believe that the story doesn't mean "love" in its literal meaning and it's actually something more like "she thought she loved him because she was a slave brainwashed from a young age and she doesn't know any better," but even if that's the case, it sounds like a pretty tone-deaf way of describing an abusive relationship.

There are other things I didn't like, like many of the last minute plot-twists that didn't add anything to the story and that are there just for shock value. Eren killed his own mother? Really? Or the fact that Eren's plan was to actually have his friends kill him at the last minute cause then the world would see him as heroes. I mean, come on. You killed 80% of the world's population. You trampled over countless lives. What the heck made you think that the world would leave Paradis alone after you did all that? The obvious answer is that the world will hate Paradis even more.

That reveal was the one that put me off the most. It just wasn't necessary. Leave Eren as a tragic character who got too caught up in the big picture and that was legitimately trying to kill everyone in order to protect his friends.

So all in all, the ending didn't really stick the landing. I do like that the world is still very much in conflict and Paradis is not gonna be left alone so easily. I just don't like how we got there in the last chapter.]
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jppcouto



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:58 pm Reply with quote
cchigu wrote:
Too much positivity in here. I personally thought that the ending was dogshit lmao. Anyway, AoT was never such a deep story as people were making it out to be so who cares.


It would be nice to hear you telling us an example of a deep story.
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Gem-Bug



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 10:52 pm Reply with quote
I thought it was an alright ending. I've only been reading/watching the series since Season 2 dropped in 2017, so it doesn't feel like quite the journey that the full 11 years would have. Some parts seemed rushed and some plots were dropped, but this is the kind of series that no ending would have pleased everyone. I'm really not understanding the vitriol some people are having over it though. Confused
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Calsolum



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 1:04 am Reply with quote
As with most other people here I think the ending was fitting.

Although while on the surface it was quite close to a spoiler[Lelouch ending I'd say that there were different in that Lelouch killed a few to save many but Eren killed many to save a few. That said they were both thinking of the future so that was the same, and what makes it not a 'copy' is that Eren's goal was incredibly ineffective and in fact the remaining humans are about to go to war again, but it ends on a hopeful note because Eren's friends and family who he gave his life for are going to try and end the fighting with dialogue. In Code Geass Lelouch has 'saved' the world but in Attack on Titan Eren gave his friends a 'chance' to save the world. That said I'm sure Armin will figure something out. He has time now.

Yimr and Fritz's relationship portrayed as love is... sickening. It was dependence, abuse and Stockholm syndrome. If they had said that she grew to love or didn't hate her time with Fritz because of her daughters I'd say ok I could buy that but loving Fritz? After all that? Yeah, I'm just gonna ignore that.

Also I'm guessing Eren is a bird now lol? I dunno if that was supposed to be metaphoric cause I'm pretty sure birds don't do things like that. Not that I'm complaining. The man deserves to live at least lifetime free of the chains of fate so if its a bird so be it.]
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Kirki



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 3:18 am Reply with quote
There is no way I can count it, but from what I've seen online these past few days, I think most people's impression of the ending of AoT was something like: "ok it's not the best ending that could have been, but it operated under some certain logic, it could be much worse, so let's just move on with our lives" which is a healthy attitude so I'm glad about that.

Personally, I don't think of AoT's finale as something similar to GoT's finale, but as more similar to the "How I Met Your Mother"' one. It was certainly an idea that was thought of from the start, but during the course of a decade with a myriad other more important themes and moral lessons the series tried to tackle and with much greater writing, the focus had been shifted and this type of ending felt out of place at best and a downgrade at worst. It would have fitted perfectly maybe if the series had ended in the first couple of years of its run, not now though.

My biggest problems with it are: 1) spoiler[Eren being reduced to a pawn with no real self-agency - and him knowing about it. It adds tragedy to the character but actually makes him less relatable and takes away more of him than it would have been acceptable. (We already knew that he cared about his friends and that he was a normal boy. That's not the issue. The issue is that he was never in control in the slightest, and that takes away from him the responsibility for his atrocities in order to justify his actions to the audience at the last minute, which effectively backfired.)] And mainly, and most importantly: spoiler[2) The logical fallacy of how Ymir's curse was broken and Mikasa's entire journey. Ymir wanted to be free of her love of her abuser, of loving a man who didn't love her, so Mikasa killing a man who did love her makes no sense in satisfying Ymir and breaking the curse. Also, Mikasa never actually "broke free" of Eren and never moved forward away from him emotionally and the series really stresses this point with her never taking off the scarf and presents it as something romantic, while in reality it goes against everything the series had tried to teach us so far, and voids her choices and any type of development she could have had. And let's just not talk about the horrible implications against women empowerment here for the sake of "love". To say that stings would be an understatement. I feel like the entire series was trying to make a point in favor of it, and it was going well, until those last dreaded panels. How difficult would it have been to see Mikasa finally leaving her scarf behind and living her own life and finding her own happiness? If you're not a woman, you probably have no idea how liberating and empowering that would have been, and I honestly don't think that anyone would have minded it, regardless of gender. That doesn't mean she would have disrespected Eren's memory. But no. Years later she is still stuck with him, according to his wishes, and this is presented as beautiful instead of horrible. Yes it makes sense in a way, yes it's still horrible and nullifies her efforts in becoming a complete person by her own. (not that she ever tried to be) And yes, the point is that your love doesn't make you a slave, and that you are allowed to hang on to things you think of as precious, but now that this is over and the future is ahead, it is equally as important to also show us that you can, and that you are allowed to move forward. Otherwise, why did you end it in the first place, what was it all for? Yes, the greater good, yes, freeing Eren... still you do nothing for yourself. And that is too sad and not in the good way. ]

For those reasons I believe that the ending was bad. And saying this means absolutely no disrespect to the author who kept us entertained for over a decade, nor do I believe that it nullifies all the other good stuff about racism and war and everything else AoT had been showing us all those years. It just... really stings that he spoiler[didn't manage to quite land the female empowerment thing that he was (probably?) going for in my opinion, though he did try.] But oh well. After a week of fuming about it, I'm still happy I got to be involved with this series. It has been mostly a fun ride. The ending stung but nothing that can be done about that now. Moving on.
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Husbano



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 12:27 pm Reply with quote
Kirki wrote:
There is no way I can count it, but from what I've seen online these past few days, I think most people's impression of the ending of AoT was something like: "ok it's not the best ending that could have been, but it operated under some certain logic, it could be much worse, so let's just move on with our lives" which is a healthy attitude so I'm glad about that.

Personally, I don't think of AoT's finale as something similar to GoT's finale, but as more similar to the "How I Met Your Mother"' one. It was certainly an idea that was thought of from the start, but during the course of a decade with a myriad other more important themes and moral lessons the series tried to tackle and with much greater writing, the focus had been shifted and this type of ending felt out of place at best and a downgrade at worst. It would have fitted perfectly maybe if the series had ended in the first couple of years of its run, not now though.

My biggest problems with it are: 1) spoiler[Eren being reduced to a pawn with no real self-agency - and him knowing about it. It adds tragedy to the character but actually makes him less relatable and takes away more of him than it would have been acceptable. (We already knew that he cared about his friends and that he was a normal boy. That's not the issue. The issue is that he was never in control in the slightest, and that takes away from him the responsibility for his atrocities in order to justify his actions to the audience at the last minute, which effectively backfired.)] And mainly, and most importantly: spoiler[2) The logical fallacy of how Ymir's curse was broken and Mikasa's entire journey. Ymir wanted to be free of her love of her abuser, of loving a man who didn't love her, so Mikasa killing a man who did love her makes no sense in satisfying Ymir and breaking the curse. Also, Mikasa never actually "broke free" of Eren and never moved forward away from him emotionally and the series really stresses this point with her never taking off the scarf and presents it as something romantic, while in reality it goes against everything the series had tried to teach us so far, and voids her choices and any type of development she could have had. And let's just not talk about the horrible implications against women empowerment here for the sake of "love". To say that stings would be an understatement. I feel like the entire series was trying to make a point in favor of it, and it was going well, until those last dreaded panels. How difficult would it have been to see Mikasa finally leaving her scarf behind and living her own life and finding her own happiness? If you're not a woman, you probably have no idea how liberating and empowering that would have been, and I honestly don't think that anyone would have minded it, regardless of gender. That doesn't mean she would have disrespected Eren's memory. But no. Years later she is still stuck with him, according to his wishes, and this is presented as beautiful instead of horrible. Yes it makes sense in a way, yes it's still horrible and nullifies her efforts in becoming a complete person by her own. (not that she ever tried to be) And yes, the point is that your love doesn't make you a slave, and that you are allowed to hang on to things you think of as precious, but now that this is over and the future is ahead, it is equally as important to also show us that you can, and that you are allowed to move forward. Otherwise, why did you end it in the first place, what was it all for? Yes, the greater good, yes, freeing Eren... still you do nothing for yourself. And that is too sad and not in the good way. ]

For those reasons I believe that the ending was bad. And saying this means absolutely no disrespect to the author who kept us entertained for over a decade, nor do I believe that it nullifies all the other good stuff about racism and war and everything else AoT had been showing us all those years. It just... really stings that he spoiler[didn't manage to quite land the female empowerment thing that he was (probably?) going for in my opinion, though he did try.] But oh well. After a week of fuming about it, I'm still happy I got to be involved with this series. It has been mostly a fun ride. The ending stung but nothing that can be done about that now. Moving on.



spoiler[ I wonder if he couldn’t change the ending because of “see you later girl”panel. Maybe this was the original ending from the start when he was going to end it in 2014ish but the story has expanded from that. In the anime the “see you later girl” dream is cut out and replace by something new so maybe he might change the ending in the anime. if he wants to of course ]
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