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TsukimoriKyouki
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interesting to hear what's in his mind but I still think it's a big mess
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cookiemanstah
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the when they cry universe in general is polarizing. |
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Feng Lengshun
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I personally enjoyed it. But I think it's definitely aimed for people who are more familiar with the franchise. Pretty much everything about Eua doesn't make much sense unless you've already finished Umineko. I like the story of the falling out between two friends. I sympathize a lot with Satoko, even if she takes it waaay too far, even with the excuse that Eua gave her a "muder-suicide-shaped" hammer. On another level, as an Umineko fan, I enjoy it as a Bernkastel and Lambdadelta. I do agree, though, that the use of more Umineko-based concepts made it a mess, unless you think of everything as Umineko-style gameboard and directly connected to Umineko. Which I do, so it was easy for me to enjoy. |
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jroa
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It's an interesting interview indeed, but at this point I suppose only the conclusion of the new series will determine whether the approach was successfully implemented or not.
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jenthehen
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Yepppp, after several weeks of GOU last year, I was finally inspired to read Umineko since I could tell it was starting to be connected, and I'm so glad I did. It's nearly impossible to enjoy Gou/Sotsu without having the context of Umineko. |
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KitKat1721
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I mean, I agree in theory but I'm pretty familiar with his work/read Umineko and Sotsu still really fumbled for me personally when it became clear past the halfway point that it was more interested in re-hashing obvious story elements over and over instead of moving forward in an engaging way (until the last minute). Having Eua go "my you are entertaining" almost felt ironic at a point. That being said, I do love reading Ryukishi interviews and I'm happy Lynzee got to publish one! He always seems to give really in-depth answers to questions when he can, which is appreciated in a business full of creatives having to be a bit more restrained in media. |
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MagicPolly
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While I still really don't particularly like Sotsu, I feel like this interview does contextualize Newgurashi a lot better. Gou being half "reboot but not" makes more sense since he wanted it so that people could experience Higurashi for the first time again. Same thing with redeeming Teppei and Rina, which I was iffy on. I honestly realize that I don't really have an issue with Sotsugou, my issue is with the execution (the first 12 eps of Sotsu essentially being recaps for example). I still don't agree with him that people with no Higurashi knowledge could watch it though, which was made even worse by pretending Gou was a reboot at the beginning.
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rizuchan
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I'm really glad ANN got this interview but it made me kind of sad. This just reinforces that there were so many good ideas in Gou. I was really excited to figure out a new mystery on the level of the original Higurashi, but...well...
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egozi14
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Aside from the anime being a mess imo, I really think they should've went clear if it's a remake or sequal from the get-go,
Many were pissed about this surprise and some fans who even recommanded it to new people had to save face and tell them to turn to the ancient original :/ I know that from a creative point of view this "surprise" maybe was something that felt innovative to them, but when it come to these kind of decisions are more about lying to all of your fanbase in genreal, while creating a mess that people buildup expectations from the info that no one else but the studio itself released, it's like buying a game just to find out none of the info and gameplay you read or seen so far is in it and start wondering if you got the right game to begin with. {Mod Edit}: I edited your post and removed the bait comments. The filter is there for a reason. ~ Redbeard 101 |
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Gem-Bug
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As someone familiar with Umineko, I still don't see how having read it would have made anything in Gou/Sotsu more clear and/or less of a mess? It just sounds like more silly gate-keeping. It was never specifically stated that spoiler[Eua was Featherine, or that Satoko was Lamba, even if the allusions are there].
Almost literally the creator saying a "Witch" is not necessarily the same thing between series, but also having a similar role between series. This interview reads so well, which really vexes me on how the execution went so poorly overall. I almost feel like wanting to erase my memories of Gou/Sotsu so that I can go experience the original all over again. |
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Neohybrid_kai
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Very interesting article, I enjoy reading it. I think its always polarizing in R07 fandom (magic vs trick ending, anyone?) but I think R07 himself understand the consequence, as he said himself he loves surprising his readers and shatter their expectation, in other word, its trolling
 And (some of) the fans themselves want to experience the shock as if its their first time. So split opinion is inevitable, and I think it what keeps the fandom active. To this day people still discuss about Umineko even though the story has ended many years ago. Personally I love watching/reading trainwreck anime/manga so the messier the better. Also this is the first time I hear the word tragicomedy, nice word
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musouka
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The Umineko influence on Gou/Sotsu isn’t the exact identities of the witches or references, it’s a certain way of perceiving the conflict. The key difference I’ve seen between WTC fans and Higurashi-only fans is spoiler[how LITERALLY the events are taken. As an Umineko fan, I’m not “shocked” or “horrified” that Rika forgave Satoko; I expected it. The plot was just a symbol of the issues with Rika and Satoko’s relationship, which we see resolved in a mundane fashion—the only way you can resolve that sort of conflict. To Higurashi fans, you’re used to seeing the loops as literal, not as a device. Satoko is a literal monster out of all proportion, etc.]
If there’s one thing I think the series managed to do, it made it very clear how Ryukishi’s narrative priorities have shifted over the years—for the better overall, even if Gou/Sotsu is pretty bad in and of itself. |
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maximilianjenus
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he got me with the umineko reference when he called sotsu a love duel. just like the ones in umineko.
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#HayamiLover
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I have no problem getting one of my favorite and longest running franchises to get sequels, it just felt like a forced sequel to rekindle interest in the franchise. As a sequel to The Blues Brothers, you just hear that the old story is not over and you get the same but of a lower quality.
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Maidenoftheredhand
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There were parts I really enjoyed in Gou but I did feel Sotsu was a major let down. I wish I had enjoyed it more. I just didn’t feel it added all that much to the franchise or to Satoko’s character.
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