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madmangohan
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Or you could just contact them yourself...
Here's their community forum http://madboards.madman.com.au/ http://www.facebook.com/madmanent Either of those will give you an answer. The staff watch them regularly. |
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slykura
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Hmm looks like my account still works here.
The Animax dub was not available for us to use. Rights to use those dubs on home video was never cleared and we would have spent two years finding every single voice actor and getting them to sign new rights for us to use the track on our DVD release. It would have been a long and financially draining task. Careful research has been done and it was deemed not worth chasing. If fans would like to see a dub only cardcaptors release however we would be happy to entertain it should rights and enough people want this to be released. |
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shadee88
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Hey Skylura!!! Glad u can make it. 2 questions How come u were able to get Cardcaptors English version easily but not Animax's English Dub? I can also give some of the voice actors that worked on the roles. I'm not 100% sure for all of them. These are 100% sure Sakura Kinimoto-Andrea Kwan Syaoran Li-Candace Moore Meilin Li-Sarah Hauser These I'm not 100% sure Touya Kinimoto-Russell Wait Kero (small)-Candace Moore Kero (big)-Darren Pleavin Not sure about other cast. Also, did other people complain about not having Animax Dub track or just me? Also, does that explain why not a single animax dub track has ever made it to DVD? |
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sonictail
ANN.au Editor in Chief
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I believe what Sly was trying to state is that getting those people to sign off on a new contract to allow for their voice to be used for a DVD release would not be viable. It's better to have Card Captor Sakura now rather than the Animax dub in two years. Hell I originally watched the show via VHS subs created by my local anime club >.> But I will admit your enthusiasm to list the actors and help is great. |
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shadee88
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"I believe what Sly was trying to state is that getting those people to sign off on a new contract to allow for their voice to be used for a DVD release would not be viable. It's better to have Card Captor Sakura now rather than the Animax dub in two years." They've done that to get Nelvana Dubs. Why not Animax? What makes Nelvana and animax so different? "But I will admit your enthusiasm to list the actors and help is great" I was doing this 4 selfish reasons. I want the Animax Dub. BTW, I'm from USA. If those DVDs include the Animax Dub, i'll definitely import that DVD. |
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madmangohan
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It's not that they're different, but more the fact that it's been what, 10 years since Animax did the dub. I don't think you realise that contracts can and do expire. When Madman licensed Nelvana's dub, Nelvana did all the hard yards, and their contract was still in full effect. Had Madman tried to license Animax's dub at this time, I'm sure there wouldn't have been that many issues. But now, the contracts would be expired, and they likely never had a clause for use in Australia to begin with. Either way, a new contract would need to be created, for every single person involved. Now you might think that'd be as simple as a 5 minute search on google, but then you have to track them all down, and have them agree to the contracts individually. That's not something you can do in an afternoon with a couple of dollars worth of phone calls. But hey, if you think you can name and locate every single staff member who worked on the Animax dub, have them agree to sign a contract, and forward it all to Madman, then please, be my guest. As it's about the only way it'll ever happen without someone ponying up a ton of money for little return.
But the simple fact is, that without cold hard cash put forward, it just isn't a viable risk. Just because 1000 people said they would do something, doesn't mean they will when the time comes to do it. |
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shadee88
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It's not that they're different, but more the fact that it's been what, 10 years since Animax did the dub. I don't think you realise that contracts can and do expire. Animax created their dub 6 years ago. Nelvana created their dub 12 years ago. "When Madman licensed Nelvana's dub, Nelvana did all the hard yards, and their contract was still in full effect. Had Madman tried to license Animax's dub at this time, I'm sure there wouldn't have been that many issues." Could u rephrase the above sentence? Thanks "But now, the contracts would be expired, and they likely never had a clause for use in Australia to begin with. Either way, a new contract would need to be created, for every single person involved. Now you might think that'd be as simple as a 5 minute search on google, but then you have to track them all down, and have them agree to the contracts individually. That's not something you can do in an afternoon with a couple of dollars worth of phone calls. " How come Madman doesn't have 2 do all this to release the Nelvana Dub? Slykura said they are happy 2 release the Cardcaptors only dub if enough people want it. "But hey, if you think you can name and locate every single staff member who worked on the Animax dub, have them agree to sign a contract, and forward it all to Madman, then please, be my guest. As it's about the only way it'll ever happen without someone ponying up a ton of money for little return." I can probably name but not locate. I don't have Animax's phone number and that asshole that works at Sony Pictures Entertainment refuses to give it to me. The people who work at Sony really don't like talking to individuals/public about this, or at all. They even went as far as begging me to never call them again. Which is why we're powerless. "Good for you. I'd also buy it if they did it. But the simple fact is, that without cold hard cash put forward, it just isn't a viable risk. Just because 1000 people said they would do something, doesn't mean they will when the time comes to do it." Importing is nothing... I'll do things to get what I want... |
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slykura
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When I stated that there was a possibility of doing a Cardcaptors Release that was only under the assumption that there's enough of a demand and also if we can even clear rights.
Nothing is confirmed. As I've stated, when the actors dubbed the show they did not sign off for it to be exploited for use outside of the Animax South East Asia broadcast territories and certainly not for a home video release. We had previously been able to release the Nelvana dub because at the time of licensing, the rights were available and already cleared for use in Australia. This might not be the case at the moment, but we would need to check. We did not check for rights as we could not present this uncut. We'd love to be able to present the product in as many ways as possible, but to be honest, this was a big risky experiment on our part to even release this series. It's been many years since the original release so there are always risks that not enough people would want to purchase it to have justified the cost of licensing. I still hope that what we have done has made some fans happy. If you guys buy this version it will mean that we will have more reason to find more of these old lost gems to acquire and release. |
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madmangohan
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With the picture painted a bit more clearly, I believe there's a hypothetical question to be asked in this whole matter
Had Animax included a home video distribution section in their contract at the time, would Madman have opted to use it now, or is the possibility of causing issues with Nelvana if Madman were to ever license the first movie with dubbing stop you from doing so? ...Now that I re-read that, I think I'm sort of asking you again if you're going to license the movies :p |
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shadee88
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"Cardcaptors Release that was only under the assumption that there's enough of a demand and also if we can even clear rights. " Didn't u release some Cardcaptors version before? "As I've stated, when the actors dubbed the show they did not sign off for it to be exploited for use outside of the Animax South East Asia broadcast territories and certainly not for a home video release. We had previously been able to release the Nelvana dub because at the time of licensing, the rights were available and already cleared for use in Australia. This might not be the case at the moment, but we would need to check." So basically saying, when Nelvana had the rights to Cardcaptors, the actors ALREADY signed for exporting use and home video release? and when Animax had the rights to Cardcaptor Sakura, the actors DID NOT sign for exporting use and home video release? Is that why getting Nelvana Dubs is easier than Animax Dubs? "We did not check for rights as we could not present this uncut. " Huh? Nelvana never created an uncut English Dub of their version. "We'd love to be able to present the product in as many ways as possible, but to be honest, this was a big risky experiment on our part to even release this series. It's been many years since the original release so there are always risks that not enough people would want to purchase it to have justified the cost of licensing. " Yeah, u released I think 6 volumes (30 episodes) originally of Cardcaptors? How come u didn't release the rest (not that I want it or anything). Just asking. "I still hope that what we have done has made some fans happy. If you guys buy this version it will mean that we will have more reason to find more of these old lost gems to acquire and release." You mean get the Animax Dub or Nelvana Dub? |
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madmangohan
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Madman may now have the CCS license, but not the license to use Nelvana's dub, something they'd need to re-acquire separately.
This issue is Animax's fault more than anything, so you can stop calling companies idiots and retards for not releasing the dub, and go and protest Animax/Sony for not putting more into their contracts.
Madman didn't bother chasing the Nelvana dub for this release because they knew there were changes to it that would stop them from simply sticking the dub onto the same disc.
Sly, if you're reading, I'd totally take it though >_>
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shadee88
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"Exactly, you're finally understanding it now. " Yeah, i feel like such an idiot. "This issue is Animax's fault more than anything, so you can stop calling companies idiots and retards for not releasing the dub, and go and protest Animax/Sony for not putting more into their contracts. " I bash at Animax for several reasons. #1, not releasing their older dubs on DVD. #2, Airing whatever crap they feel like (and subs) these days and not listening to what the viewers want. #3, when ratings aren't as high as Animax wants, they either demand more money from their customers, yell at customers, and say ur not supporting us, fudge u, well remove the channel from u. they blame customers when it is really their own fault. "That's exactly what Sly was saying though. Madman didn't bother chasing the Nelvana dub for this release because they knew there were changes to it that would stop them from simply sticking the dub onto the same disc. " Do u know any other English dub of Cardcaptor Sakura which is uncut and true to the original, other than the Animax Dub? I wished Madman created their own dub? "Neither. He's talking about other anime titles that have been kicked to the curb over the years." Which shows were they, I hope they are shows i'm interested in... This Sux, there are hardly anything i like.[/quote] Since Madman has a hard time getting CCS Animax Dub, will Netflix have a hard time getting that as well? |
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madmangohan
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shadee88
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"Nope. Not too many series ever get more than one English dub in its lifetime." Tell that to dragon ball that has 7-8 different English Dubs. (Harmony Gold, Blue Water, Ocean, Funimation, Animax, Saban, Filipino, Singapore?) "Anything out of print and not licensed. Things like Sailor Moon (although that's a pipe dream from my understanding), Samurai Pizza Cats (another pipe dream)." Sailor Moon? A pipe dream of yours that will never come true. Naoko Tacheuki strictly doesn't want anyone to touch it. Samurai Pizza Cats? Where do u get that idea that its a pipe dream? "Very likely. Online streaming is also something that needs to be contracted." Most of my doubts are cleared right now except for few. What about any company broadcasting? What about Sony themselves using it again (DVD, etc.)? Also, both Cartoon Network India and Animax had the rights to Cardcaptor at the same time? I think? How come CN India aired Nelvana Dub instead of Animax Dub? |
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madmangohan
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But yeah, it's certainly a record setter in the amount of times its been dubbed. They beat that horse in many different ways.
But as Sly said, Animax only signed off for South East Asia broadcast territories, so outside of those, no go.
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